tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.comments2009-05-22T18:54:25.533-07:00roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414trevor.berg@wefc.netBlogger195125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-76345830902896536352009-05-22T18:54:25.533-07:002009-05-22T18:54:25.533-07:00I've been thinking about this recently as well and I have to agree. It certainly doesn't shock me that people on the streets care for people. I've seen this first hand. The thing is there are many people doing great acts like these regularly and we should be equally appreciative of all. The fact that every time Faron Hall comes up the word homeless also does is depressing. Thank this guy a lot for what he did. Not because he's homeless and he did it. Don't treat him like somehow he's "underneath" the average Canadian and still did something that was actually good. In my opinion that just points out the ignorance that a lot of North America shares towards the homeless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-5248715290758517072009-05-21T08:08:26.029-07:002009-05-21T08:08:26.029-07:00Mom, that is exactly the issue that I was talking about, and I totally agree with you. I just felt like they emphasized so much that he was homeless, and it seemed like that was the shocking part. Not the fact that he jumped into the water.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-8190531249915097682009-05-21T08:05:31.290-07:002009-05-21T08:05:31.290-07:00I appreciate all your thoughts on this. These are big questions, for me they are important, as I am paid. I believe strongly in what I do...or at least what I have the potential to do within the framework of my "job" and my life. The reality is, I may be more concerned about perception. I always worry too much about what people might think about me.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-63885508351654429332009-05-21T07:05:42.635-07:002009-05-21T07:05:42.635-07:00Phil is right; these are very hard questions. They are also important ones. I believe that there is a place for pastoral leadership to be paid. Within that, however, much as to be asked. Every situation is unique.<br /><br />Like others have said, I don&#39;t think you are being paid to be a Christian, but rather you are being supported in your God-given calling to serve His people. If you think the amount, the nature, etc. of your pay &amp; job are wrong, that is another matter altogether.<br /><br />Praying that you find wisdom through this.<br /><br />Peace,<br />JamieJamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-22791604491675545152009-05-20T20:56:58.512-07:002009-05-20T20:56:58.512-07:00your asking some hard questions here Trevor. Be carful as it may lead you to some hard answers. I love ya man and I am glad to see where you are at and where you are going.<br /><br />I don't have any answers for you in regards to getting paid to be a Christian worker, but I do think about the same things from time to time. I see it that I am not getting paid to follow Jesus, I am getting paid to support my family as I share Jesus. Paul talks about bringers of the Gospel being taken care of and being worth their wages/<br />1 Tim. 5:17-18. Heres hoping I don't take that out of context. <br /><br />Anyway bro, continue to wrestle but let God speak.philterhttp://philnamy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-32856790670443065062009-05-20T20:05:02.923-07:002009-05-20T20:05:02.923-07:00I don't think you're getting paid to be a Christian, because that's a personal choice you had to make, not be paid to make. You're just getting paid to do things that others wouldn't normally have to do, like organizing activities, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-28527411694569030172009-05-20T19:38:11.527-07:002009-05-20T19:38:11.527-07:00I don't think it's like a regular job. If it was just about the money you could do something easier, less involved, less personal.<br /><br />Just think - fellow Christians strongly feel that it's important to have leaders who are able to devote their lives to studying, sharing, leading by example, and bringing then together through Christ. They're willing to fund that so that you don't have to spend 40 hours a week doing something else, leaving little time or energy left to concentrate on what it is to be a Christian and to be a leader in a Christian community. I don't think getting paid cheapens it at all. I think it makes it possible!Tiffanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08863925129654777084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-87173700147778010712009-05-20T08:17:14.390-07:002009-05-20T08:17:14.390-07:00I am not so sure I feel the same way about the publicity. Anyone would have received that publicity for doing the same as Faron did. When I walk over a bridge over the Red River, I cannot imagine ANYONE going into that swift moving, cold water so it surprises me that someone did that. I am so happy that it was a homeless man so that people actually put a face and name to one of "them". It is the "us and them" mentality that saddens me so I am pleased that one of "them" became one of "us" for a while. Hopefully for some of us that will last longer than just a few days. MOMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-53222899780876973382009-05-15T06:45:00.000-07:002009-05-15T06:45:00.000-07:00I felt the same way about the story. It was as though his being homeless was more important than his being human.<br /><br />See you soon, bro.Jamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-41861207326505660912009-05-14T22:00:00.000-07:002009-05-14T22:00:00.000-07:00can't wait to hang with you and some homeless dudes this weekend.Philhttp://philnamy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-57870250735878762972009-03-29T17:31:00.000-07:002009-03-29T17:31:00.000-07:00How did it go?Candicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14227934479121125541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-41336974507465280822009-03-18T12:06:00.000-07:002009-03-18T12:06:00.000-07:00Man sets up camera, man prepares to jack hammer, man is accompanied only by a child too young to "assist" with ANYTHING.<BR/><BR/>You are so lucky my friend. <BR/><BR/>In many similar situations, man would have jack hammered off his foot!<BR/><BR/>Tell us why you are jack hammering your basement!Tiffanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08863925129654777084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-87960661886842217082009-03-18T10:51:00.000-07:002009-03-18T10:51:00.000-07:00Phil, can't wait for Friday either. I agree, we are so fortunate to have what God gives us, I hope I can help some other people be a part of that.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-75247799751246872772009-03-18T06:55:00.000-07:002009-03-18T06:55:00.000-07:00You wrote<BR/>"That is how I hope to live. I hope to be someone who really sees people, I want to see my children, I want to see my wife, I want to see the people I (or most people) usually don't notice, and especially don't see."<BR/><BR/>I love this, such a great reminder bro to not walk with our eyes closed, or with our own agendas. I look forward to Friday and hanging with you and seing lives changed. We are fortunate bro to have the lives and second chances that we are given by God.philterhttp://philnamy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-23675947968495833692009-03-15T15:28:00.000-07:002009-03-15T15:28:00.000-07:00Thanks Jamie. Actually, I had meant to mention your post called "Resist Depersonalizing Missional Living." That was another thing that got me thinking in this way.<BR/><BR/>Everyone, check out Jamie's post on this at www.missional.ca.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-9837093356825905172009-03-14T08:02:00.000-07:002009-03-14T08:02:00.000-07:00Such an important reminder. I love that God said we would find him in the hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, stranger and imprisoned. We can romanticize that, but the reality is that it isn't always easy to see God in them. I think that was God's little trick- if we put all out energy into seeing God in them (in whose image they are created) we won't have time to get distracted by judging their failing. Thanks for this reminder, bro!<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>JamieJamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-83143910618279778812009-03-10T09:01:00.000-07:002009-03-10T09:01:00.000-07:00Jamie, it didn't come off as a correction.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-92023539357001628492009-03-10T08:54:00.000-07:002009-03-10T08:54:00.000-07:00I hope my comment didn't come off as a correction. Just sharing my experience as someone who has been unable to be a father (yet). Thanks!<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>JamieJamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-59016313400489125232009-03-10T05:00:00.000-07:002009-03-10T05:00:00.000-07:00Thanks Mark, I appreciate the encouragement.<BR/><BR/>Mom, stop crying...you are embarrassing me (just kidding)<BR/><BR/>Tim, I never thought the author of the book would have stopped by my blog. I appreciate your words of encouragement. I realize that "loving those in your midst deeply is the longterm answer." However, it is interesting that sometimes this is the most difficult thing to do well. I tend to take them for granted too often. I really liked the way Steve Bell wrote the benediction to the book. I appreciated it because the whole idea of actually seeing people, that is what I sensed throughout the book, and something that I have been striving to do myself. With everyone I encounter, those on the margins, my close friends, the youth I work with, etc. Thank you for taking the time to comment.<BR/><BR/>Tiffany, thanks for your comments. I agree example is the best way to parent. Thanks for the encouragement.<BR/><BR/>Jamie, I have been convicted of what you say about being a father to the fatherless. I think what I hoped to say in this post is that I hope to never do any of this sort of thing at the "expense" of my own fatherhood...keeping in mind the fact that I hope to be an example of compassion to my children.<BR/><BR/>Jamie, I totally agree with youroverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-16545903165348982072009-03-09T19:30:00.000-07:002009-03-09T19:30:00.000-07:00Great post. And, in no way taking away from what you have said, we also see in Scripture that we are called to be fathers to the fatherless. That is one thing that has really been driven home for me in our inability to start a family, coupled with our life here in the inner city. We need more fathers like you here too.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>JamieJamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-10629895300495022892009-03-09T19:14:00.000-07:002009-03-09T19:14:00.000-07:00The best way to teach is by example. If you instill strong values, compassion and empathy in your kids you will be making the world a better place.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes we have to balance our obligations and our kids have to come first!<BR/><BR/>I love the stuff you write about homelessness and some of the ways you have chosen to learn more about it. I am sure you are making a difference in peoples' lives. And you don't have to touch EVERYONE to make it worthwhile.Tiffanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08863925129654777084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-25229854982281379202009-03-09T09:25:00.000-07:002009-03-09T09:25:00.000-07:00Hey there. Tim Huff here. Though I am down in the USA right now, my assistant who works from Ottawa sends me "google alerts", and your posting came up. Humbled by your kind words, but even more inspired by your response. Be assured - while caring deeply for those already on the margins is vital and of God's own heart - loving those in your midst deeply is the longterm answer. All the best, Tim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-42619896950760578462009-03-08T23:10:00.000-07:002009-03-08T23:10:00.000-07:00your blog brings tears to my eyes. MOMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-48978897399015512622009-03-08T22:26:00.000-07:002009-03-08T22:26:00.000-07:00Wise words Trevor, thanks for the reminder. I agree with you 100%.Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15292824227963056711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16700077.post-72344943887990270212009-03-04T15:13:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:13:00.000-08:00thanks for the birthday wishes.<BR/><BR/>i played that winter olympics game so many times! I also found a Commodore 64 emmulator for my pc and was able to play it again recently...still better then any game I know of.roverThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053166471055710414noreply@blogger.com